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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13A very good synopsis James, thanks.
To follow are a few photographs of yesterday's commemoration which was addressed by Sean Garland.
The ceremony was chaired by Cllr. Ted Tynan. The 1916 Proclamation was read by Donal O'Driscoll with wreaths being laid by Jackie Connolly, Sandra Uí Chonduin and Sharon Higgins.
Workers Party arrive at Republican Plot
Pat Hurley of Cork Volunteers Pipe Band leading procession
Sean Garland and Cllr. Ted Tynan
A section of the attendance
Donal O'Driscoll reads the 1916 Proclamation
nice report but a shame to see how the WP comrades treat not only the national flag (which they might be expected to) but the starry plough too! come on lads keep them off the ground , ffs. again nice report very true about the 32s not a political thought to be found.
why do anarchists wear easter lilies? can you tell us why an anarchist actually gave her number to the special branch
when there is no legal reguirment to do so,are ye in the business of giving out phone numbers to strangers??if someone came up to her on the street and actually asked her for her number would she give it?? funny how
anarchists were the only ones asked for their phone numbers and were the only ones who gave it! funny how anarchists are gathering information on the developing size of republican groups,i thought that was a job for the special branch?? is the author confused about his politics? are cork anarchists worried about being eclipsed by republicans as a revolutionary force? why does the author describe republicans who are opposed to g.f.a treaty sell out as 'dissident' ? stop me if im wrong here but as far as im aware this is the title put on them by their enemies,bit like someone describing anarchism as 'chaos' ya?
why are you depressed that the republican movement has a youthful working class membership,do you feel they would be better off playing anarchism? given their 'brits out' and 'pushers out' policies is it not beter that they are actually doing something about imperialism than just merely talking about it,what has the anarchist movement done to date about imperialism?? what has it done to alieviate the pressure brought on by heroin dealers in cork city and elsewhere?? answer,nothing.
also worth noting is the authors article on the internet titled 'on leaving sinn fein for anarchism' which is basically a lie,now if the author cant get passed the title without lying then what does that say about the rest of the article?
"very true about the 32s not a political thought to be found."
You mean they don't spend their time talking isms to the nth degree? They are the most focussed republican group on the island.
"why do anarchists wear easter lilies? "
Why wouldn't we?
"can you tell us why an anarchist actually gave her number to the special branch
when there is no legal reguirment to do so,are ye in the business of giving out phone numbers to strangers??if someone came up to her on the street and actually asked her for her number would she give it?? funny how
anarchists were the only ones asked for their phone numbers and were the only ones who gave it!"
I assume you can read. Nowhere did the article say any anarchist gave a phone number to anyone. The people who gave the phone numbers were I assume republican supporters. It's a pity that this happened and despicable that the SB did it, but rather than focus on this and how we can address it, you chose to make snide remarks about anarchists.
"funny how anarchists are gathering information on the developing size of republican groups,i thought that was a job for the special branch??"
This was a news report of interest obviously to many people including you.All the commemorations were publicly advertised not secret gatherings. The role of the police in any state is to preserve it and the status quo, whether a republic or a monarchy, in my opinion. Obviously they see republicans as a threat to the state that's why they were there. I am opposed to the state and any infringement of civil liberties by the branch, that's why I raised the point.
"is the author confused about his politics? are cork anarchists worried about being eclipsed by republicans as a revolutionary force?"
No
" why does the author describe republicans who are opposed to g.f.a treaty sell out as 'dissident' ? stop me if im wrong here but as far as im aware this is the title put on them by their enemies,bit like someone describing anarchism as 'chaos' ya?"
Yes that's why dissident was in inverted commas.
"why are you depressed that the republican movement has a youthful working class membership,do you feel they would be better off playing anarchism? given their 'brits out' and 'pushers out' policies is it not beter that they are actually doing something about imperialism than just merely talking about it,what has the anarchist movement done to date about imperialism?? what has it done to alieviate the pressure brought on by heroin dealers in cork city and elsewhere?? answer,nothing."
What I was depressed about was the lack of politics, even a cursory reading of the article would make that clear to anyone. Do you honestly believe that shooting the odd heroin dealer and British soldier will defeat either the drugs problem or British imperialism? Really, honestly now? Did the RIRA not shoot a senior member in Derry recently for organising a house to grow cannabis, do you think this will result in people stopping smoking cannabis, do you believe that's a desirable objective? Anarchists have been involved in both opposing imperialism and in campaigning against the heroin problem in Dublin( not Cork) but we don't claim to have any magical answer to that problem, that will require something much deeper and more fundamental in our society, than is on the agenda at present.
Perhaps you could outline in a more coherent way what your movements objectives are and how your movement proposes these can be brought about, just for the sake of debate and winning people to your position.
The Starry Plough would make a nice flag for a united Ireland.
There are no tribal bits in the Starry Plough.
(Like the Orange in the Tricolour commemorating William of Orange.).
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It was interesting to hear the CIRA statement that was read out at RSF commeration contained a mention of links between Republican groups and criminality.
Does this mean that CIRA will desist from offering themselves as back up to dodgey security companies whom obtain contracts from clients by "making them an offer they cant refuse."
and
Stop extorting monies from building contractors(burning out their plant machinery when they refuse and call this legitimate targeting) and collecting protection money from lap dancing club owners who enslave traffiked women in the sex trade.
and
Stop their debt collecting scams where monies are demanded from cash strapped small builders who have been screwed by the large developers and contractors.
RSF take the leason from IRSP and call upon CIRA to leave the stage before they furthur disgrace the name of Republicans and stop the hypocrisy.
there's no green in the Starry Plough either "True Patriot" - or perhaps you're so obsessed with the orange in the tricolour that you don't see that.
The Starry Plough is a great flag but so too is our tricolour, representing as it does, the traditions of Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter. Maybe you should look up the history of the Irish tricolour. You seem to resent the orange stripe as if it were imposed upon the Irish people. It is the flag of the Irish Republic declared on the steps of the GPO in 1916. The flag is even mentioned in the 1916 Proclamation - "Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom."
A true patriot would embrace this flag.
I fail to see how some address lacking in copious references to anarchism/trotskyism/maoism or whatever particular ism is flavour of the week is devoid of politics . The occupation of our national territory is a political issue , the denial of national self detemination to the Irish people is a political issue , the violation of Irish sovereignty by an imperialist power is a political issue . The defence of working class communities from the predations of armed heroin dealing gangsters and other venture capitalists is a political issue . The assertion of Irish rights to national sovereignty in arms against a foreign occupier is a political issue . They are just political issues the poster in question regards as apolitical from his own personal bent . To focus upon these issues - primarily national sovereignty , national democracy and national self determination as the best framework in which Irish citizens can hope to address political issues and socio economic problems and focussing upon that framework is to my mind a disciplined approach to them .
To dismiss the sum of them as just shooting a drug dealer and the odd brit invader is in my opinion either short sighted or deliberately disingenous as an analysis .
Val Lynch addresses 32 csm commemoration
Support from Liverpool - The James Larkin band
as the man said young and dynamic
and more pics
http://cork32.blogspot.com/
"To dismiss the sum of them as just shooting a drug dealer and the odd brit invader is in my opinion either short sighted or deliberately disingenous as an analysis ."
Fair enough maybe I was a bit glib in summing up the politics expressed thus. But your argument that united Ireland and a national democracy will somehow be the way we can address all the myriad of social and economic issues we face is exactly the lack of serious politics I am questioning. What difference will having 32 instead of 26 counties make really. We would just be a bigger capitalist state. Didn't James Connolly address this issue over 90 years ago.
For me there are a few serious problems with the approach of your movement which I will address to you, but first let me make it clear that I am not questioning your commitment to yer ideas or yer wilingness to make sacrifices to achieve them.
Firstly a united Ireland under capitalism will make very little difference to anyones lives, except in terms of the symbols under which people in the 6 counties live. I would suspect that the character of that state would be pretty much like the one we live under down south now. The problem with achieving a united Ireland and defeating British imperialism through armed struggle is that it is faced with several obstacles 1. the "unionist" population who do not want it and many of who are prepared to fight it, 2. the unwillingness of the majority of the "nationalist" community north or south to support armed struggle and 3. the active hostility of the southern ruling class. That is why the IRA were defeated after 30 years and it was the failure of that campaign and the reformist nature of much of the republican movement that enabled the co-option of Sinn Fein into the political system north and south.
Now try another approach , recognise that British imperialism and the Irish ruling class for all their differences share a common suppport and interest in the capitalist system. The central theme of their efforts for the last 30 years has been to pacify the country. On this they cooperate. They both oppose socialism in any form and work against every and any threat to the system. Connolly correctly linked the two issues and so set forth the demand not just for an independent republic but for socialism too. For republcans to realise your dream of a united Ireland you need to unify the Irish working class against capitalism north and south. Because then you can appeal to peoples class interest in defeating imperialism. Armed struggle is an obstacle to that working class unity because unionist people see it as coercive and there are only to reactions to coercion acceptance or resistance, republicans know this themselves from irish history.
I didn't expect anarchism, trotskyism or maoism off your platform, but maybe a little bit of anti-capitalism or even socialism. Connolly surely is the best source of a founding stone for a republicanism that is not based on narrow nationalism.
Nice photos by the way.
James I think you're missing an essential point in all of this, as I fear most socialists do also, you need a catalyst for change. A lot of socialists take comfort in their aspirations but also in their dream of a united working class rising up against capitalism. Let's look at that. Given what has happened with the church, the financial system and our politicians culpability in both one would have thought it a socialist dream. So where is the workers mass movement? If those conditions were'nt right for it I'm at a loss to figure what would. The only viable way to break the political hegemony on the island is to end partition. It by no means guarantees it but it does allow a golden opportunity to radically alter politics on the island because you would be forcing the establishment political class into totally new territory. If you really want change then focus on securing the catalyst for it. In my humble opinion.